What Operating Systems do you guys run?
I'm running Arch Linux, KDE with Latte-Dock and Kvantum. Can't stand Windows, and their built-in spyware. The Terminal and Vim make me 100x more powerful than anything that exists on Windows.
Posted at 2021/04/09, 13:00:19Post ID: 4514
What Operating Systems do you guys run?
I'm running Arch Linux, KDE with Latte-Dock and Kvantum. Can't stand Windows, and their built-in spyware. The Terminal and Vim make me 100x more powerful than anything that exists on Windows.
I recently made the change to Debian from being a lifelong Windows user. Still getting used to it but the feeling of not belonging to $hill Gates and being branded is worth it. Managed a VFIO GPU passthrough so I can still play some of my games in Win.
Was pretty hesitant at first and doubtful of my ability to get things working, but finally decided to go balls to the wall and dive in. No regrets, I wish I was taught Linux from the start.
Posted at 2021/04/09, 20:25:49Post ID: 4514:4516
I recently made the change to Debian from being a lifelong Windows user. Still getting used to it but the feeling of not belonging to $hill Gates and being branded is worth it. Managed a VFIO GPU passthrough so I can still play some of my games in Win.
Was pretty hesitant at first and doubtful of my ability to get things working, but finally decided to go balls to the wall and dive in. No regrets, I wish I was taught Linux from the start.
tell me why........ i shoulnt use windows
ive never touched another operation system, i dont even know how to change!
im not a computer man
Posted at 2021/04/10, 10:01:59Post ID: 4514:4521
tell me why........ i shoulnt use windows
ive never touched another operation system, i dont even know how to change!
im not a computer man
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Post 4514:4521
Microsoft has a history of putting shady stuff in their operating system. Keyloggers that send your keystrokes to Microsoft servers, for instance. This is a 'feature' enabled by default.
If you're working with code, especially, Linux is your best friend, if you take the time to learn it.
Linux is also highly adaptable and customizable. You can change the way your windows look, the way you interact with applications, your desktop interface and so on (KDE / XFCE / GNOME / etc.)
Aside from that, another big selling point is that it's incredibly secure. It's open source, meaning when a bug is found by one person, there will be countless of other people already working on fixing it.
Posted at 2021/04/10, 23:18:03Post ID: 4514:4524
[post=4514:4521]Post 4514:4521[/post]
Microsoft has a history of putting shady stuff in their operating system. Keyloggers that send your keystrokes to Microsoft servers, for instance. This is a 'feature' enabled by default.
If you're working with code, especially, Linux is your best friend, if you take the time to learn it.
Linux is also highly adaptable and customizable. You can change the way your windows look, the way you interact with applications, your desktop interface and so on (KDE / XFCE / GNOME / etc.)
Aside from that, another big selling point is that it's incredibly secure. It's open source, meaning when a bug is found by one person, there will be countless of other people already working on fixing it.
I'm still under the shakkles of Bill Gates, might install Manjaro on my laptop though. Post 4514:4516
Do you need to have two GPUs to make the passthrough? I'm still new to virtualization any help would be appreciated.
Posted at 2021/04/11, 00:29:30Post ID: 4514:4525
I'm still under the shakkles of Bill Gates, might install Manjaro on my laptop though. [post=4514:4516]Post 4514:4516[/post]
Do you need to have two GPUs to make the passthrough? I'm still new to virtualization any help would be appreciated.
I'm still under the shakkles of Bill Gates, might install Manjaro on my laptop though. Post 4514:4516
Do you need to have two GPUs to make the passthrough? I'm still new to virtualization any help would be appreciated.
I followed SomeOrdinaryGamer's tutorial if you have 2 GPU's. He also released a tutorial for a Single GPU Passthrough here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSrdUoedTo
Slight learning curve involved as someone who's seldom used Linux before. I learned Linux fundamentals along the way while following the guide and using the terminal to edit configurations. Also for sound in the VM, I ended up using the passed GPU's HDMI audio controller out of my Monitor's 3.5mm Audio jack.
Posted at 2021/04/11, 10:05:18Post ID: 4514:4527
[quote=ThotKilla@4514:4525]I'm still under the shakkles of Bill Gates, might install Manjaro on my laptop though. [post=4514:4516]Post 4514:4516[/post]
Do you need to have two GPUs to make the passthrough? I'm still new to virtualization any help would be appreciated.
[/quote]
I followed SomeOrdinaryGamer's tutorial if you have 2 GPU's. He also released a tutorial for a Single GPU Passthrough here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSrdUoedTo
Slight learning curve involved as someone who's seldom used Linux before. I learned Linux fundamentals along the way while following the guide and using the terminal to edit configurations. Also for sound in the VM, I ended up using the passed GPU's HDMI audio controller out of my Monitor's 3.5mm Audio jack.
I'm still under the shakkles of Bill Gates, might install Manjaro on my laptop though. Post 4514:4516
Do you need to have two GPUs to make the passthrough? I'm still new to virtualization any help would be appreciated.
Also, your motherboard/CPU's Integrated Graphics (usually on Intel) counts as as its own GPU (iGPU) (to display the BIOS and boot into Linux). If thats your case, you can follow this guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNLnTCqUMyY
If not (ex you have an AMD CPU/Mobo with no iGPU) and only a PCI-e GPU, then follow the vid in my 1st post.
Posted at 2021/04/11, 10:11:56Post ID: 4514:4528
[quote=ThotKilla@4514:4525]I'm still under the shakkles of Bill Gates, might install Manjaro on my laptop though. [post=4514:4516]Post 4514:4516[/post]
Do you need to have two GPUs to make the passthrough? I'm still new to virtualization any help would be appreciated.
[/quote]
Also, your motherboard/CPU's Integrated Graphics (usually on Intel) counts as as its own GPU (iGPU) (to display the BIOS and boot into Linux). If thats your case, you can follow this guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNLnTCqUMyY
If not (ex you have an AMD CPU/Mobo with no iGPU) and only a PCI-e GPU, then follow the vid in my 1st post.
Welcome Kommandos!
Here is your briefing:
"Hostile channels are trying to intercept all kommunikation of the new CK3 organization (space-tech) in wired territory, this chatroom is the last retreat. Underground we have been working on implementing new channels for routing kommunikation in space using mapping of sound reflective objects in space, we cannot fail. I repeat, WE CANNOT FAIL!"
The Mission: "1. Setup the new x-com chat protocol on non-wired channels (wireless). 2. Clear and move the [REDACTED] to the new genome underground research base at the coordinates [REDACTED] disguised as a remote luxury resort. 3. Establish the first space colony in space using rotating cylinders imitating gravity. 4. Secure the viktory over the Wireheads."
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dualboot Arch + Windows on desktop, OpenBSD on thinkpad
Post 4514:4521
every linux distro sucks, none of them are actual operating systems (imagine your rig as an "open-source" 18 wheeler as autists spend daylight arguing about their gearbox configuration, this is your brain on linux). Arch Linux is probably the least retarded of these pseudo-OSes, and sadly OpenBSD is rendered nonviable if you have nvidia. Linux really shines if you're programming, text editing, or generally need a no-nonsense environment to get work done. At this point dual-booting is so fast that you can just slap everything else on windows w/o shame.
Posted at 2021/04/12, 18:53:42Post ID: 4514:4533
dualboot Arch + Windows on desktop, OpenBSD on thinkpad
[post=4514:4521]Post 4514:4521[/post]
every linux distro sucks, none of them are actual operating systems (imagine your rig as an "open-source" 18 wheeler as autists spend daylight arguing about their gearbox configuration, this is your brain on linux). Arch Linux is probably the least retarded of these pseudo-OSes, and sadly OpenBSD is rendered nonviable if you have nvidia. Linux really shines if you're programming, text editing, or generally need a no-nonsense environment to get work done. At this point dual-booting is so fast that you can just slap everything else on windows w/o shame.
Post 4514:4533
Fair and the intra-relative points are all accurate. But Windows works like shit,
* They can force restarts and updates (not your "rig").
* Why do you think a license is 2$? Because it is an advertisement OS.
* Constant issues with "search".
* Randomly named system processes are constantly running.
* CMD is useless. Everyone uses Ubuntu subsystem.
* Massive bloatware.
* Intrusive notifications.
* Non-GNU, practically no open-source software compiles or is supported.
* "Learning" Windows is windows-specific.
Welcome Kommandos!
Here is your briefing:
"Hostile channels are trying to intercept all kommunikation of the new CK3 organization (space-tech) in wired territory, this chatroom is the last retreat. Underground we have been working on implementing new channels for routing kommunikation in space using mapping of sound reflective objects in space, we cannot fail. I repeat, WE CANNOT FAIL!"
The Mission: "1. Setup the new x-com chat protocol on non-wired channels (wireless). 2. Clear and move the [REDACTED] to the new genome underground research base at the coordinates [REDACTED] disguised as a remote luxury resort. 3. Establish the first space colony in space using rotating cylinders imitating gravity. 4. Secure the viktory over the Wireheads."
https://3dtestosterone.net/multiman/join/COLLECTIVEK3
Posted at 2021/04/15, 22:26:33Post ID: 4514:4554
[post=4514:4533]Post 4514:4533[/post]
Fair and the intra-relative points are all accurate. But Windows works like shit,
* They can force restarts and updates (not your "rig").
* Why do you think a license is 2$? Because it is an advertisement OS.
* Constant issues with "search".
* Randomly named system processes are constantly running.
* CMD is useless. Everyone uses Ubuntu subsystem.
* Massive bloatware.
* Intrusive notifications.
* Non-GNU, practically no open-source software compiles or is supported.
* "Learning" Windows is windows-specific.
Post 4514:4554
by stating "every linux distro sucks", i didn't mean to suggest that windows was the least shit in the slightest, I was more so pointing to the fact that atm there exists no "good" operating system, we pick our poisons however we must to get the job done.
everyone knows windows has been retarded since vista came over the horizon & having a cute little laundry list of reasons why isn't gonna help when u need to bust open most workstation programs.
* They can force restarts and updates (not your "rig").
- i don't encounter forced restarts on pir8ed windows (but forced updates happen ~three times a year which sucks)
* Why do you think a license is 2$? Because it is an advertisement OS.
- wouldn't know, pir8ed license
* Constant issues with "search".
- get a 3rd party search program
* Randomly named system processes are constantly running./Massive bloatware.
- it's not that random & w/ high ram is pretty much a non-issue. u can definitely keep your sensitive info on another OS
* CMD is useless. Everyone uses Ubuntu subsystem.
- as everyone should, WSL was actually a massive boost to the usability of windows
* Intrusive notifications.
- with proper configuration they shouldn't be any more intrusive than win7
* Non-GNU, practically no open-source software compiles or is supported.
- "no open source software compiles" is demonstrably false, but it's definitely not as ez as linux
* "Learning" Windows is windows-specific.
- "Learning" any operating system is specific to that OS, not understanding ur point esp when Windows is the current standard & you're expected to know how to use it if you want most tech-adjacent jobs
one thing I haven't tried yet though is passthrough w/ 1 GPU as you mentioned here. That's been something that was very interesting to me as it would make the linux <--> windows workflow a lot cleaner for me, yet I wanted to wait until I got up to 2 GPUS. Would you say that it works well for two GPUs?
Posted at 2021/04/15, 23:23:37Post ID: 4514:4555
[post=4514:4554]Post 4514:4554[/post]
by stating "every linux distro sucks", i didn't mean to suggest that windows was the least shit in the slightest, I was more so pointing to the fact that atm there exists no "good" operating system, we pick our poisons however we must to get the job done.
everyone knows windows has been retarded since vista came over the horizon & having a cute little laundry list of reasons why isn't gonna help when u need to bust open most workstation programs.
* They can force restarts and updates (not your "rig").
- i don't encounter forced restarts on pir8ed windows (but forced updates happen ~three times a year which sucks)
* Why do you think a license is 2$? Because it is an advertisement OS.
- wouldn't know, pir8ed license
* Constant issues with "search".
- get a 3rd party search program
* Randomly named system processes are constantly running./Massive bloatware.
- it's not that random & w/ high ram is pretty much a non-issue. u can definitely keep your sensitive info on another OS
* CMD is useless. Everyone uses Ubuntu subsystem.
- as everyone should, WSL was actually a massive boost to the usability of windows
* Intrusive notifications.
- with proper configuration they shouldn't be any more intrusive than win7
* Non-GNU, practically no open-source software compiles or is supported.
- "no open source software compiles" is demonstrably false, but it's definitely not as ez as linux
* "Learning" Windows is windows-specific.
- "Learning" any operating system is specific to that OS, not understanding ur point esp when Windows is the current standard & you're expected to know how to use it if you want most tech-adjacent jobs
one thing I haven't tried yet though is passthrough w/ 1 GPU as you mentioned [post=4514:4527]here[/post]. That's been something that was very interesting to me as it would make the linux <--> windows workflow a lot cleaner for me, yet I wanted to wait until I got up to 2 GPUS. Would you say that it works well for two GPUs?
Post 4514:4555
>when u need to bust open most workstation programs
I think you might be alone in considering steam games "workstation programs". The software that is made for GNU/Linux vastly out-scales all the software being made for Windows. GNU/Linux is the OS running on most systems around the world, but I am sure you and your fellow working "steam colleagues" disagree.
For my purposes using windows; everything has to be fixed and require a tedious workaround. I can spin up Docker containers and install all the programs I need within minutes using pacman on arch. For heavy compute I can run all my code on distributed GNU/Linux systems.
Welcome Kommandos!
Here is your briefing:
"Hostile channels are trying to intercept all kommunikation of the new CK3 organization (space-tech) in wired territory, this chatroom is the last retreat. Underground we have been working on implementing new channels for routing kommunikation in space using mapping of sound reflective objects in space, we cannot fail. I repeat, WE CANNOT FAIL!"
The Mission: "1. Setup the new x-com chat protocol on non-wired channels (wireless). 2. Clear and move the [REDACTED] to the new genome underground research base at the coordinates [REDACTED] disguised as a remote luxury resort. 3. Establish the first space colony in space using rotating cylinders imitating gravity. 4. Secure the viktory over the Wireheads."
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Posted at 2021/04/16, 09:57:15Post ID: 4514:4556
[post=4514:4555]Post 4514:4555[/post]
>when u need to bust open most workstation programs
I think you might be alone in considering steam games "workstation programs". The software that is made for GNU/Linux vastly out-scales all the software being made for Windows. GNU/Linux is the OS running on most systems around the world, but I am sure you and your fellow working "steam colleagues" disagree.
For my purposes using windows; everything has to be fixed and require a tedious workaround. I can spin up Docker containers and install all the programs I need within minutes using pacman on arch. For heavy compute I can run all my code on distributed GNU/Linux systems.
Post 4514:4556
i think it's cute that you have to devolve the discourse 10 years bringing up "muh games" as if steam proton doesn't exist, all to admit that you have 2 rely on containers to get programs running on ur system. I think it's especially cute the way you said "using pacman on arch" like a big boy getting down on his big boy computer work :)
AutoCAD, Adobe anything & Avid Pro Tools are a few programs off the top of my head that don't work on linux since u don't seem to understand what a workstation program is.
Posted at 2021/04/16, 23:34:06Post ID: 4514:4563
[post=4514:4556]Post 4514:4556[/post]
i think it's cute that you have to devolve the discourse 10 years bringing up "muh games" as if steam proton doesn't exist, all to admit that you have 2 rely on containers to get programs running on ur system. I think it's especially cute the way you said "using pacman on arch" like a big boy getting down on his big boy computer work :)
AutoCAD, Adobe anything & Avid Pro Tools are a few programs off the top of my head that don't work on linux since u don't seem to understand what a workstation program is.
all of my systems run dos or windows. win95, 98, me, xp..and then my newest computers after that both run 10. 2 lazy 2 learn linux..plus i play old windows games all the time so i dont know what 2 use it 4.
hi
Posted at 2021/04/19, 05:05:11Post ID: 4514:4580
all of my systems run dos or windows. win95, 98, me, xp..and then my newest computers after that both run 10. 2 lazy 2 learn linux..plus i play old windows games all the time so i dont know what 2 use it 4.
Post 4514:4563
On top of your head? Haha!
All of that software runs fine on the web or within a virtual machine. Furthermore 0.0001% of the population use Autocad, compared to the everyone who uses GNU (Mac/Linux) every single day -- such as when browsing the web.
I am mostly playing with you as I am sure you understand, I do not really care what OS anyone uses -- but defending Windows is simply the most laughable thing one can do.
Welcome Kommandos!
Here is your briefing:
"Hostile channels are trying to intercept all kommunikation of the new CK3 organization (space-tech) in wired territory, this chatroom is the last retreat. Underground we have been working on implementing new channels for routing kommunikation in space using mapping of sound reflective objects in space, we cannot fail. I repeat, WE CANNOT FAIL!"
The Mission: "1. Setup the new x-com chat protocol on non-wired channels (wireless). 2. Clear and move the [REDACTED] to the new genome underground research base at the coordinates [REDACTED] disguised as a remote luxury resort. 3. Establish the first space colony in space using rotating cylinders imitating gravity. 4. Secure the viktory over the Wireheads."
https://3dtestosterone.net/multiman/join/COLLECTIVEK3
Posted at 2021/04/21, 14:32:55Post ID: 4514:4601
[post=4514:4563]Post 4514:4563[/post]
On top of your head? Haha!
All of that software runs fine on the web or within a virtual machine. Furthermore 0.0001% of the population use Autocad, compared to the everyone who uses GNU (Mac/Linux) every single day -- such as when browsing the web.
I am mostly playing with you as I am sure you understand, I do not really care what OS anyone uses -- but defending Windows is simply the most laughable thing one can do.
Post 4514:4601
i just like 2 test linux evangelists, nothin personnel. i get that things like autocad are niche, yet that in particular is something i have 2 deal w/. the ideal is that id never have to use windows (vm, or directly), yet we arent quite there yet. only point i was making was that in such circumstances u simply have to accept (not defend) windows
Posted at 2021/04/21, 14:47:48Post ID: 4514:4603
[post=4514:4601]Post 4514:4601[/post]
i just like 2 test linux evangelists, nothin personnel. i get that things like autocad are niche, yet that in particular is something i have 2 deal w/. the ideal is that id never have to use windows (vm, or directly), yet we arent quite there yet. only point i was making was that in such circumstances u simply have to accept (not defend) windows
Post 4514:4555
Sorry for the delay. So far its been working pretty well (posting from the VM itself). Some things like the mouse and keyboard (you'll need spare ones at first) and the audio might take some tweaking (for example if your VM GPU monitor doesn't have an audio jack). Getting a USB audio adapter and passing to the VM via the VM Manager works pretty well even for a mic. As for the inputs, you can use Synergy and set it up share a single mouse and keyboard across OS's. My rig isn't that new either so if you have a CPU with more threads and more RAM (i'm working with 8 threads & 16gb) then you should be fine.
I also use my setup to mine eth, pretty stable as long as I don't do too many intensive tasks on both OS's.
Posted at 2021/04/24, 21:09:04Post ID: 4514:4631
[post=4514:4555]Post 4514:4555[/post]
Sorry for the delay. So far its been working pretty well (posting from the VM itself). Some things like the mouse and keyboard (you'll need spare ones at first) and the audio might take some tweaking (for example if your VM GPU monitor doesn't have an audio jack). Getting a USB audio adapter and passing to the VM via the VM Manager works pretty well even for a mic. As for the inputs, you can use Synergy and set it up share a single mouse and keyboard across OS's. My rig isn't that new either so if you have a CPU with more threads and more RAM (i'm working with 8 threads & 16gb) then you should be fine.
I also use my setup to mine eth, pretty stable as long as I don't do too many intensive tasks on both OS's.
Also, (sorry for double posting) not gonna lie, as a noob a lot of things on the Linux side took some research to get working properly and some were a pain in the ass like getting the GPU drivers properly installed and forcing the host (linux) to use your non-passed GPU to actually render instead of defaulting to your iGPU. At some point I had to manually copy and paste some driver components for openCL just to get a miner to recognize and use my GPU on Linux.
People like CK4 might have an easier time since they're experienced Linux users and/or use it during their career and I can understand the elitism but I as I can see that quickly devolves into autism and I get why the average PC user is turned off by the idea of using Linux (even the "just works" distros). I agree with EdwardFlex in that its far from ideal and that even if "0.0001%" of people use a certain professional software, its not an excuse for it to not work on Linux without hours of autisming with 10 research tabs open on stackexchange. Professionals have money to make and don't have time for that shit and I can completely understand their mindset when defaulting to Windows. Open Source software is great for many applications but when it comes to some high-level work, it isn't always the second coming like a lot of Linux evangelists rave.
One thing i can say is as a noob, one feels very big-brained sometimes when you figure out things on Linux but you can't let that dopamine drip turn you into an elitist and gas yourself up especially if you haven't/won't ever contribute anything of actual value with your knowledge.
Posted at 2021/04/24, 21:40:51Post ID: 4514:4632
Also, (sorry for double posting) not gonna lie, as a noob a lot of things on the Linux side took some research to get working properly and some were a pain in the ass like getting the GPU drivers properly installed and forcing the host (linux) to use your non-passed GPU to actually render instead of defaulting to your iGPU. At some point I had to manually copy and paste some driver components for openCL just to get a miner to recognize and use my GPU on Linux.
People like CK4 might have an easier time since they're experienced Linux users and/or use it during their career and I can understand the elitism but I as I can see that quickly devolves into autism and I get why the average PC user is turned off by the idea of using Linux (even the "just works" distros). I agree with EdwardFlex in that its far from ideal and that even if "0.0001%" of people use a certain professional software, its not an excuse for it to not work on Linux without hours of autisming with 10 research tabs open on stackexchange. Professionals have money to make and don't have time for that shit and I can completely understand their mindset when defaulting to Windows. Open Source software is great for many applications but when it comes to some high-level work, it isn't always the second coming like a lot of Linux evangelists rave.
One thing i can say is as a noob, one feels very big-brained sometimes when you figure out things on Linux but you can't let that dopamine drip turn you into an elitist and gas yourself up especially if you haven't/won't ever contribute anything of actual value with your knowledge.
Post 4514:4631
all good bud, there's no rush in forum conversations
Post 4514:4632
the autism is worth if it calls 2 u, there's something real satisfying once you're zipping thru ur workflow in a system. i'd really call myself an intermediate (used arch as a daily driver for 2 yrs, intermittently used various distros for ~10) & that intense web research definitely slows down as you start to read manpages more & more (though atleast on arch, there's quite a bit of things where the manpages will offer you no salvation vs. the wiki). u hit the nail on the head though, it's what you do with the setup.
I think I may opt for that setup soon on my desktop since I wasn't really planning on doing any mining on my system. good to know that usb audio just werks considering that's all i got at this point. ty for reporting back Tau
Posted at 2021/04/27, 01:01:50Post ID: 4514:4650
[post=4514:4631]Post 4514:4631[/post]
all good bud, there's no rush in forum conversations
[post=4514:4632]Post 4514:4632[/post]
the autism is worth if it calls 2 u, there's something real satisfying once you're zipping thru ur workflow in a system. i'd really call myself an intermediate (used arch as a daily driver for 2 yrs, intermittently used various distros for ~10) & that intense web research definitely slows down as you start to read manpages more & more (though atleast on arch, there's quite a bit of things where the manpages will offer you no salvation vs. the wiki). u hit the nail on the head though, it's what you do with the setup.
I think I may opt for that setup soon on my desktop since I wasn't really planning on doing any mining on my system. good to know that usb audio just werks considering that's all i got at this point. ty for reporting back Tau
What Operating Systems do you guys run?
I'm running Arch Linux, KDE with Latte-Dock and Kvantum. Can't stand Windows, and their built-in spyware. The Terminal and Vim make me 100x more powerful than anything that exists on Windows.
I use Manjaro (basically Arch with an installer) using KDE Plasma. It's the most usable thing there is in terms of distro and DE
[quote=Quake@4514]What Operating Systems do you guys run?
I'm running Arch Linux, KDE with Latte-Dock and Kvantum. Can't stand Windows, and their built-in spyware. The Terminal and Vim make me 100x more powerful than anything that exists on Windows.[/quote]
I use Manjaro (basically Arch with an installer) using KDE Plasma. It's the most usable thing there is in terms of distro and DE
People like CK4 might have an easier time since they're experienced Linux users and/or use it during their career and I can understand the elitism but I as I can see that quickly devolves into autism and I get why the average PC user is turned off by the idea of using Linux (even the "just works" distros).
For this reason I never recommend people use Linux unless they have a real reason to. Most people don't, and if they try to run it they will simply become frustrated and switch back, with a worse opinion of that ecosystem in general
[quote=TauCannon@4514:4632]People like CK4 might have an easier time since they're experienced Linux users and/or use it during their career and I can understand the elitism but I as I can see that quickly devolves into autism and I get why the average PC user is turned off by the idea of using Linux (even the "just works" distros).[/quote]
For this reason I never recommend people use Linux unless they have a real reason to. Most people don't, and if they try to run it they will simply become frustrated and switch back, with a worse opinion of that ecosystem in general
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